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Testing the Pre-Trib Rapture – S.S.

Testing the Pre-Trib Rapture

Oct 19, 2019, 7:13 AM
S.S.
Many of the Christians believe in false teaching of Pre Tribulation Rapture. The simple reason is that Pre Tribulation Rapture is pleasing to our flesh. Most Christians don’t want to bear sufferings for Lord Jesus Christ during 7 year Tribulation period. They don’t want to be martyrs of Lord Jesus Christ which is the Highest Calling from God. They don’t want to face the final test of Mark of beast. They don’t have enough faith to overcome  all the challenges.
I believe that Pre Tribulation Rapture false teaching is one of the biggest deception of satan.
Now I would to discuss Scriptures.
 
1. We are appointed not to God’s Wrath but we are appointed to face Tribulation period
John:16.33
 “These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”
Lord Jesus Christ Himself said that you have to  face Tribulation ( 7 years Tribulation period). He Himself denies pre Tribulation Rapture. According to Pre Tribulation period, Christians will raptured before Tribulation period.
But Lord Jesus in John 16:33 said that You have to face 7 years Tribulation period. 
Now let us study ‘ Tribulation ‘ word. It is translated from Greek word ‘ Thlipsin’.
This ‘ Thlipsin’ is found to following Scriptures of Matthew 24.
Matthew:24.9
 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation( Thlipsin) and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
Matthew:24.21
 “For then there will be great tribulation( Thlipsis), such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew:24.29
 ” Immediately after the tribulation ( Thlipsin) of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
These references tells us that Lord Jesus Christ was pointing towards 7 years Tribulation period when He used ‘ Thlipsin‘ in John 16:33.
1 Thessalonians:3.3
 that no one should be shaken by these afflictions( Thlipsesin); for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this.
We Christians are not appointed to Wrath( 1 Thess 1:10) but we appointed to face Tribulation period( 1 Thess 3:3). We will not suffer God’s wrath but we will face satan wrath ( Rev 12:12) in form of Persecution and Martyrdom.
2. Refinement of Bride during Tribulation period.
Lord Jesus Christ will refine His Bride during Tribulation period to make His Bride spotless
Ephesians:5.27
 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.
Various tests and trails in Tribulation period will refine Christians. We are appointed to face Tribulation period ( John 16:33,1 Thess3:3)
1Peter:1.6
 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials,
1 Peter:1.7
 that the genuineness of your faith, [being] much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
3. Lord will guard His Bride during Tribulation period.
Revelation:3.10
 “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
This verse is largely misinterpreted as pre Tribulation Rapture verse.
Let us study this verse from Greek .
The word ‘ will keep’ is translated from Greek word ‘ tereso’ which means to watch over or to guard.
This verse conveys that if we obey His commandents, then Lord will guard( will keep) His Bride during Tribulation period ( Psalm 91).
 
4 Jacob’s Trouble

Christians are spiritual Israel

According to pre Tribulation Rapture, Church will be raptured before Tribulation and physical Israel will face Tribulation period of 7 years.
But this false.
Christians are spiritual Israel. They will  also face Tribulation period.
Galatians

3:29 If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to promise.

This shows if you believe in Christ, then you are Abraham ‘s sons and daughters.

The promises made to Abraham and Israel now belongs to Christians.

We are spiritual Israel. We are adopted to God’s family.

Jeremiah

30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Pre Tribulation Rapture believers says that Jacob’s Trouble is physical Israel.

But is wrong.

Jacob is Israel ( Genesis 32 :28)

It consists of physical Israel and spiritual Israel.

This shows that Christians ( spiritual Israel) and physical Israel will pass through Great Tribulation period.

Romans

11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them, and became partaker with them of the root and of the richness of the olive tree;

Some of the branches were broken off depicts that Jews were removed . Wild Olive is grafted in depicts that Christians becomes spiritual Israel.

Read Romans 9:1-8 for physical Israel and spiritual Israel

5. Escape from coming Wrath of God.

Luke:21.36

 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” 

This verse is also misinterpreted as Pre Tribulation Rapture verse.
The word ‘ to escape’ is translated from Greek word ‘ ekphygein’ which means ‘ to flee out’.
To flee out of what??
To flee out of God’s wrath ( Matthew 3:7)
Matthew:3.7
 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Obey commandents of the Lord so that you may protected under the wings of the Lord during Tribulation period.
 
6. Saints in Book of Revelation.
According to Pre Tribulation Rapture, there is absence of Church after Revelation so this shows that Church will be raptured before Tribulation.
But this is false, Church is present after Rev 4.Church is gathering of saints. There is mention of saints of Rev 14:12 and Rev 13:10.
Revelation:13.10
 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Revelation:14.12
 Here is the patience of the saints; here [are] those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Saints are the representation of Church. This shows that Church will be present in Tribulation period.
Saints is translated from Greek word ‘ hagion’ which means set apart by God. Saints are True Bride of Christ.
For more details . See link
 
7. Restrainer
2 Thessalonians:2.7
 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains [will do so] until He is taken out of the way.
According to Pre Tribulation Rapture, Church or Holy Spirit is restrainer . When Church removed, antichrist will come.
This is false, Hand of God is restrainer. God controls satan. When He removes His hand , antichrist will come and will persecute Church.
 
8. Roots of Pre Tribulation Rapture is in Mary MacDonald visions.

Mary MacDonald visions

She was born in 1815 in Scotland. Her family members used to have pwerful gifts of Holy Spirit.
She saw visions in 1830. She spoke her vision and interpretation in Church.
John Darby invented pre Tribulation Rapture theory from her vision.
The sad thing is that vision of Mary MacDonald is from God but she wrongly interpreted this. John Darby popularized this false theology and spread to all over world.
The link to her vision is below.
Correct Interpretation
 
 Mary MacDonald visions is not in chronological order.
This leads to satan and his army to twist the message of vision.
The vision includes mainly Great Tribulation period.
Please read references for better understanding
Great tribulation period
The vision begins Great Tribulation period. She described Luke 21:25-26. If read Luke 21:21-23 and match this reference with Matthew 24:16-19, then you will know that it is great tribulation period is beginning of vision.
Rapture during Great Tribulation period
Then ,she saw people waiting for sign of His appearance ( Matthew 24:30) . Then suddenly she saw Lord Himself descending from heaven with a shout (1 Thessalonians 4:16). This vision is clear indication that Matthew 24:30-31 is rapture verse because people were looking for sign of His appearance ( Matthew 24:30)
 
Revealing of Scripture by God
 God revealed few Scripture to her regarding who will be participating in rapture. God revealed her Matthew 25:1-12 and Ephesians 5:17-18.
She wrongly interpreted it that you must be Spirit filled to see His sign of appearing. This leads to false theology of secret rapture
 
 Bible says Second coming of Jesus Christ is like thief in night (Rev 16:15  ,2 Peter 3:10).
The Rapture  will be visible by every human being ( Matthew 24:30, Rev 1:7).
Correct Interpretation for 2 references given by God is that You must be filled with Spirit to participate in rapture.
Elijah Anointing
 
She felt anointing. In Lasts days, seven times anointing greater than Elijah’ s anointing will be given. You will full of Light. You will like God ( Zechariah 12:8).
Trail of Church from antichrist in Great Tribulation period
 
 She saw people of God surrounded by nets and problems. The trail of Church is from antichrist. The enemy will shake God’s people . They will face severe temptation to give up in Great Tribulation period.
Reason for trails in Great Tribulation period
 
The trail by antichrist will be lead to purifying of Church. They will refined with fire. ( Zechariah 13:8-9).
The fullness of Spirit will poured on them and they will be made perfect bride without spot and ready for rapture in Great Tribulation period.
False christ’s
During Great Tribulations period, many false christs will arise and show great micrales and will deceive even elect ( Matthew 24:24).
But Church filled with Light will be able to detect false christs.

Watch Prophet Sadhu Selvaraj teaching on Rapture in link.

His heavenly spiritual experience are more than awesome . See below.
He preaches boldly about Martyrdom which most Church leaders are scared to preach. Even Christians are afraid to listen that.
See links.
The motive of writing this message is not to hurt Christians who believes Pre Tribulation Rapture. But I proclaimed Truth in the Christ. During my Christian Life, I got to know that sometimes Truth is bitter and hard to digest.
In the end, I pray that as you mediate on this message, Holy Spirit may open your eyes of understanding to know the perfect will of God.
Amen.

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42 Comments

  1. Tatyanna

    This is a false message. It should be taken down. If there was no pre-tribulation rapture then who would come back with Jesus and the angels at the end of the great tribulation? Those who do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture obviously do not read their bibles correctly.

  2. Trumpet of the Lord

    There is a pre-trib rapture, the firstfruits. But they have already had great tribulation in their life.
    With purpose to prepare the body of Christ.
    Indeed none of us escape tribulation. In one way or another.

  3. David Lockett

    Reading this I can away with discerning that this false teaching, pre tri rapture is not to satisfy flesh and honor for being looking for his coming. There is and has alwa6been suffering as we are not under God’s wrath is true however man wrath will be displayed, anyone with common sense knows if jesus said we don’t know day or hour, read ot says 1260 days for 2 period all u got to do it when it starts until 7 years later he coming on this date , there is no post trib rapture. Good job of quote to your believing that, comparing Israel to church is replacement theology. we are spiritual as Gentiles and Jews together but there is different, not going to go into all that. Or rapture is about escaping suffering, read Luke 21:36, Jesus say to pray to be accounted worthy to escape all these things that coming on the world to try men and stand before son of man. I sincerely disagree, that all I will say or write.

  4. Birdee

    Thank you for sharing S.S. additionally, the Scriptures are clear, there are two comings not three, Jesus Himself said there is One flock john 10:16, made up of Jew and Gentile believers, we are not replacing the Jews we are a new man, the spiritual new man in Christ, we are a remnant…Also if you read the Greek for the “coming of the Lord” is the word “parousia” the visible Second Advent of Jesus Christ…it is the same word in the gospels and as well as in Paul’s letters. In 1 Thes. 4:16 it talks about the coming of the Lord “parousia” (the what) and we are caught up “harpazo” (the how). The letters to the churches in Rev. 2-3, all of them speak to him who overcomes….in other words, you must endure and persevere.
    The faithful in the Philadelphia church Rev 3:10 are exempt from the “peirasmos” meaning trial, proving because they keep His word, they are not exempt from “Thlipsis” meaning tribulation.
    Going back to original language is extremely helpful…blueletterbible web site is good
    In Rev. 16:15 the Lord has not returned yet, He still says “Behold I come as a thief blessed is he who watches and keeps his garments”…
    The scriptures clearly say the “bride” of Christ is not ready until Rev 19:7…..
    Finally the Scriptures are clear there are two resurrections the resurrection of the just and of the unjust.
    The blessed and holy are raised at the end of the tribulation Rev. 20:5-6 the rest are not raised until after the 1,000 years….
    Love and wisdom to all brothers and sisters here, we are all still growing and learning, peace to all…

  5. Immanuel

    Lord, help these see the promise of Revelation 3:10!
    The rapture is a partial catching away of the saints who have kept their oil burning for His surprise arrival.
    We enter the kingdom through many trials and tribulations, yes, however the GREAT tribulation has only ONE iteration in all of history. No saint before has ever been required to face the Great Tribulation, and none in fact are unless they have not been obedient to the Last Call for repentance. Shalom

  6. LATOYA BELL

    Thanks for clarifying. I’ve never believed in a pre trib rapture anyway. Endure til the end is what scriptures say.

  7. km

    Agreed.. But the days are shortened for the sake of the elect…

  8. Daniel Noah

    Sorry, but your arrogance has blocked the truth. Pretext w/o context is nonsense… John 16:33… “… the world you will have tribulation, means 6 million died for their faith in the first couple of hundred years of the church. Christians had tribulation in USSR and China, as well as eat-block nations . So, somehow you want everything to be equal…for all people to suffer equally for the gospel? Are you 5 years old? In Matthew 20:10-16…each person does not does not suffer nor get rewarded equally. Each person( YOU assume) should suffer equally? The Great Tribulation is the final 3.5 years, which commences with The Antichrist entering the temple 30 days before the Passover. Daniel 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the the abomination that causes desolation is set up there will be 1290 days… O’bama enters the temple 30 days prior to the Passover and declares himself god. Pror to this event, you needed the mark to conduct commerce or move freely in the world. Within 30 days, the MARK will be demanded for all… to worship O’bama as a god. Since Obama will be indwelt by Satan himself, he craves worship… Now here’s the catch to your position. The antichrist duration is 7 yrs. The Seals and the trumpets are part of this 7 yr period. The antichrist cannot be revealed until the Holy Spirits dispensation is removed, both as a world-wide cap on the minstration of evil -corporatly and individually through believers. 2 Thess. 2:2-3 The first 7 printing of the bible–Tyndale, Wycliff, Beeza,Coverdale, Cranmer,Breeches,Geneva and even the Latin Vulgate all state, “The Departure…not “the falling away’, which was changed by the King James writers. One expositor wanted to change the wording . 2Thess 2nbecause of the Angligan/Catholic childishness.

  9. Robert Adolph

    I don’t have time to write a book in this comment supporting the pre-trib rapture but will give you one of hundreds of scripture that punch a hole in your false teaching. Luke 21:36. Jesus said this after he finished his his famous Olivet Discourse to the Jews about the tribulation and His return, “Watch ye therefore and pray always that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass and stand before the Son of man.” Even some Jews will escape the coming tribulation if they make Jesus their Lord and Savior. Jesus has already died for us, taken all our sins, sicknesses and the chastisement of our peace if we have accepted Him as our substitute. Paul, the apostle of the gentiles was looking for the Blessed Hope, not the A/C or the coming tribulation as some Christians are today and never said once we would go through the trib but on the contrary said we are not appointed unto wrath THREE TIMES. The tribulation is Jacob’s trouble and Daniel’s 70th week. The Church is mentioned 19 times in Rev. C.1-3 but not once during the tribulation, C. 4-19.

  10. Patti Young

    EXCELLENT WORD OF TRUTH!!! AFTER 46 YEARS OF BEING A STAUNCH PRE-TRIB BELIEVER, AT 60 YEARS OLD, I AN INSTANT WHILE PRAISING GOD AND WORSHIPPING THE LORD WHILE IN MY CAR, THE HOLY SPIRIT REVEALED TO ME THAT PRE-TRIB WAS NOT TRUTH. THANK YOU FOR THIS WORD❤🙏

  11. Patti Young

    EXCELLENT WORD OF TRUTH!!! AFTER 46 YEARS OF BEING A STAUNCH PRE-TRIB BELIEVER, AT 60 YEARS OLD, I AN INSTANT WHILE PRAISING GOD AND WORSHIPPING THE LORD WHILE IN MY CAR, THE HOLY SPIRIT REVEALED TO ME THAT PRE-TRIB WAS NOT TRUTH. THANK YOU FOR THIS WORD❤🙏

  12. Michael

    The seven year tribulation period comes from one scripture in Daniel that was introduced by a mason/occultist called John Nelson Darby and was published extensively through the Schofield bible to evangelical pastors. It has been taught as a biblical fact since then and it is does not harmonise with the rest of scripture. If you read the Septuagint bible and analyse its chronologies and understand the Messianic prophecy of Daniel 9:23 you will see that the 490 years have been fulfilled with the first coming of Jesus and the scripture was completed with the destruction of the temple. There has always been tribulation for followers of Jesus at various times and there will be in the future…… guaranteed. There will be a time of great tribulation too such as has never been before. For all we know a period of tribulation could extend for the next 50 years but it’s very difficult to see that.

  13. Paul Morgan

    S.S. – i Like and Agree with Most of your posting on 444 Prophecy;

    However, You make it sound like the “CHURCH” will go through the Entire 7 Year Tribulation Period – WHICH IS NOT TRUE!

    First, the Book of Revelation is in Perfect Chronological Order if you know THE SECRET. There are 22 Chapters in Revelation:

    Chapter 1 starts with John in the Isle called Patmos and goes through the Tribulation Period;

    THEN YOU HIT THE RESET BUTTON:

    Chapter 12 starts with the Birth of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST and goes through the Tribulation and on into Eternity.

    So SPLIT THE BOOK OF REVELATION IN HALF AND LAY CHAPTERS 1-11 Side-By-Side With CHAPTERS 12-22.

    And, you are right THE CHURCH WILL NOT SEE THE WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD;

    The first mention of the WRATH OF GOD is in Revelation 6:16-17
    And, The NEXT Thing that happens is 144,000 First Fruits From The 12 Tribes of Israel are SEALED FOR THEIR PROTECTION;

    Then YOU HAVE THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH (Revelation 7:9) and the Apostle John was asked by one of the Elders “Who Are These And Whence They Come?”

    John Responded, “Sir, Thou Knowest.”

    Revelation 7:9-15
    9. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    10. And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
    11. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
    12. Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
    13. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    15. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

    GOD’S WRATH IS DELIVERED BY ANGELS – THE SEVEN TRUMPETS START IN CHAPTER 8:1 – AND, THE CHURCH IS OUT OF HERE – GONE BABY!

    And, those that are STILL HERE Will Face GOD’S WRATH!

    The RAPTURE Happens AFTER The ANTICHRIST Goes Into The Temple And Declares Himself to be god.

    Matthew 24:15 Abomination of Desolation

    THE RAPTURE – MATTHEW 24:29-31

    29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    SO PLEASE DON’T ANYONE BELIEVE YOU WILL GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD – THAT IS NOT TRUE.

    Because When The Antichrist goes into the Temple and Declares himself to be god.

    THEN ALMIGHTY GOD SAYS, “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!”

    “SON, GO GET YOUR BRIDE AND BRING MY KIDS HOME!”

    PRAISE GOD!!!

    THEN ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE – THE WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD ON THE WICKED THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND!

  14. Birdee

    Trying to re-post, sorry if duplicate:
    Thank you for sharing S.S. additionally, the Scriptures are clear, there are two comings not three, Jesus Himself said in John 10:16 there is One flock, made up of Jew and Gentile believers, we are not replacing the Jews we are a new man, the spiritual new man in Christ, we are a remnant…Also if you read the Greek for the “coming of the Lord” is the word “parousia” the visible Second Advent of Jesus Christ…it is the same word in the gospels and as well as in Paul’s letters. In 1 Thes. 4:16 it talks about the coming of the Lord “parousia” (the what) and we are caught up “harpazo” (the how). The last thing I will share now, is the letters to the churches in Rev. 2-3, all of them speak to him who overcomes….in other words, you must endure and persevere.
    The faithful in the Philadelphia church Rev 3:10 are exempt from the “peirasmos” meaning trial, proving because they keep His word, they are not exempt from “thlipsis” meaning tribulation.
    Going back to original language is extremely helpful…blueletterbible web site is good
    In Rev. 16:15 the Lord has not returned yet, He still says “Behold I come as a thief blessed is he who watches and keeps his garments”…
    The scriptures clearly say the “bride” of Christ is not ready until Rev 19:7…..
    There are two resurrections the resurrection of the just and of the unjust.
    The blessed and holy are raised at the end of the tribulation Rev. 20:5-6 the rest are not raised until after the 1,000 years….
    Love and wisdom to all brothers and sisters here, we are all still growing and learning, peace to all…

  15. BW

    Thank you for your post. One point: You contend that Church will go through 7 years of tribulation but Revelations 13 :5 that the Beast is given authority to act for only 42 months to persecute the Holy Saints of God and to kill them as martyrs as he enforces his mark of beast upon mankind. Which we who follow these end times know is already here. And we know the beasts of Revelation 13 are also already here and in only a short time will the whole world know who they are
    …..though some know already. Revelations 12 tells us how the remnant of Christians are caught away into the wilderness for 42 months (the church) as Satan decieves the world into worshipping him. I realize we all just realize and understand in part until the fullness of time comes but we must all be willing to live AND die for our faith in Christ and never deny Him no matter what we may face until He comes or until our time comes to die for him. Revelations 14:11 “BLESSED ARE THE DEAD WHO DIE UNITED WITH THE LORD FROM NOW ON!”🤝🙏

  16. BRW

    Thank you for your post. One point: You contend that Church will go through 7 years of tribulation but Revelations 13 :5 that the Beast is given authority to act for only 42 months to persecute the Holy Saints of God and to kill them as martyrs as he enforces his mark of beast upon mankind. Which we who follow these end times know is already here. And we know the beasts of Revelation 13 are also already here and in only a short time will the whole world know who they are
    …..though some know already. Revelations 12 tells us how the remnant of Christians are caught away into the wilderness for 42 months (the church) as Satan decieves the world into worshipping him. I realize we all just realize and understand in part until the fullness of time comes but we must all be willing to live AND die for our faith in Christ and never deny Him no matter what we may face until He comes or until our time comes to die for him. Revelations 14:11 “BLESSED ARE THE DEAD WHO DIE UNITED WITH THE LORD FROM NOW ON!”🤝🙏

  17. B.W

    Thank you for your post. One point: You contend that Church will go through 7 years of tribulation but Revelations 13 :5 that the Beast is given authority to act for only 42 months to persecute the Holy Saints of God and to kill them as martyrs as he enforces his mark of beast upon mankind. Which we who follow these end times know is already here. And we know the beasts of Revelation 13 are also already here and in only a short time will the whole world know who they are
    …..though some know already. Revelations 12 tells us how the remnant of Christians are caught away into the wilderness for 42 months (the church) as Satan decieves the world into worshipping him. I realize we all just realize and understand in part until the fullness of time comes but we must all be willing to live AND die for our faith in Christ and never deny Him no matter what we may face until He comes or until our time comes to die for him. Revelations 14:11 “BLESSED ARE THE DEAD WHO DIE UNITED WITH THE LORD FROM NOW ON!”🤝🙏

  18. Nettie

    Good message and thank you.

    I agree with almost all you say. I can also add that God is not a respector of persons. My nation and many others are already facing persecution. To say that the moment the USA’s persecution starts, is the Rapture, is to say that God will show favouritism. It does not fit with His Word.

    Where I differ, is in your timing. Its not 7 years.

    Firstly, Daniel stated clearly that it will last 2300 days and nights. Thus, 6 years and 4 months. This includes ALL. Both Satan’s wrath (the one hour in Revelation stated that the beast and the 10 kings get). As well as God’s wrath (The Day of the Lord) which we are not appointed to. So we only see part of the 6y4m.

    This is my interpretation of the timing.
    2300 days in total.
    Last part from the time of the Abomination, is 1290 days (according to Daniel).
    Thus first part is 1010 days.
    So 1010 + 1290 = 2300 days.
    But, Daniel states that it will go well with those waiting until 1335.

    So we need to wait 1335 days of the 2300. That is, the first 1010 days, plus the bit extra that overlaps with the abomination already set up. Which is 325 days. Just a little less than a year.
    So to summerise.
    1010 days of sorrows and tribukation.
    Abomination setup.
    325 days of really really hard times. Persecution, etc.
    Then Rapture??
    1290 minus the 325 already past after Abomination = 965 days left.
    God’s wrath is included in this last days, I think.

    The above is just my speculation. But I really do believe that God’s wrath is part of the 2300 days because Daniel stated “then ALL these things will stop and the Kingdom will be established”. So it can’t be 2300 days and then still first God’s wrath, and the the Kingdom is established.

    So its not 7 years, and of the 6y4m we will only see part (the 1335 days I believe), then the last part is God’s wrath.

    Just my opinion.

  19. Rob Pascale

    The understanding and belief in the pre-tribulation rapture is an gift. This gift is bestowed upon His bride. It`s ok if you don`t believe in the rapture, it`s simply NOT for you. Just that simple…
    To those that have been given this amazing gift, look up your redemption draws neigh and very soon !
    You don`t receive this gift unless Yashua allows you to see it . It`s NOT for everyone, only His elect. He makes that choice, not us. We cannot earn it.
    Most will be left behind. How many made it through Noah`s tribulation flood ?
    Only “EIGHT” shocking. Out of 7 billion, today’s global population, only 144,000 will be caught up to meet Yeshua in the clouds. Slim pick-ins, lust like Noah and his family…

  20. Passion of the Bride

    Be ready to live or die for Christ. Revelation 14:11. The apostles counted it all joy to suffer for Christ for He suffered for us.

  21. Jesse Terrell

    Wow, almost afraid to comment. Anyway, I agree with much of what this person says, and some others. And I’m really not wise enough to settle the issue, I mean who could? Those who have believe pre-trib all their lives will possibly never change their minds. Well, let’s ask a question. What is the wrath of GOD??? If you read the entire verse—“For GOD did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our LORD Jesus Christ…” A person who teaches Logic would tell you that the wrath of GOD is NOT OBTAINING SALVATION THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS Christ. THAT—is GOD’s wrath. In the past few years we have seen videos of Isis burning Christians alive in cages, chopping their heads off, slashing their children to pieces right in front of them –then killing the parents. Is there a punishment worst than that. Why didn’t they get “raptured? When Jesus in Matthew 24 was asked about the end days, what did he say to His disciples? He said YOU—YOU—YOU will be hated, persecuted, and KILLED—not raptured. And in Revelation 20:4 John saw the souls of those beheaded DURING—DURING—DURING the Great Tribulation…and as someone on here mentioned, it says THEY are the ONLY ONES who will rule and reign with the LORD for 1000 years. And also, people talk a lot about the BRIDE. Rev. 21: verses 2, 9-27. This clearly states that the NEW JERUSALEM is the BRIDE. The actual city. And of course some will vehemently disagree with what the BIBLE ACTUALL SAYS. We all know in part. If Jesus Christ is our LORD and Savior, and we are doing His will—Matt.7:21–then we are brothers and sisters in Christ—Jew or Gentile, male or female. WE can disagree all we want—if we all LOVE each other, and FORGIVE each other. We don’t HAVE to agree on everything, just love and forgive each other. JMO.

  22. Passion of the Bride

    Dear Rob, the Bible clearly states that the 144,000 are ONLY those of 12 tribes of Israel. 12,000 from each tribe who are virgin males who have not defiled themselves with women and in whose mouths were found no guile. These are blameless before God. This number in no way shape or form represents the Entire Bride of Christ who have been washed in Christ’s blood. In fact the Bible says that there are multitudes and multitudes of Gentiles who stand before the throne of God who have overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the words of their testimonies and they loved not their lives unto death but overcame the beast.

  23. Steve Holmes

    I have bit my tongue about this site for years and that is long enough. The lack of understanding of bible eschatology, biblical hermaneutics (rules for rightly dividing the word of truth), the violations of typology being so completely in error as to be bordering on heresy, and the sheer time wasting volume of errant dreams, visions and prophecies that are blatantly unbiblical is an embarassment to the credibility of the inerrant word of God. There is an endless stream of blathering nonsense on here that shows complete lack of discernment and bible knowledge on the part of the admin for posting this stuff. This “no pre-tribulation rapture” nonsense is doctrine of demons. Do you hear me? TEACHING LIES, FALSE DOCTRINE AND VAIN TRADITIONS OF MEN FOR BIBLICAL DOCTRINE IS TEACHING DOCTRINES OF DEMONS! I don’t care who wrote it. By posting it you are endorsing it.

    Get it together and post what is biblical or shut it down because it is a stumbling block to souls who are seeking the truth! As an administrative Prophet called of God, I cannot ignore this any longer without God holding ME accountable for it. That ain’t gonna happen, Folks. I have warned you straight up. Anyone with a year of good bible teaching can preach circles of truth around this heretical post and many others on this site, so I won’t waste hours of my time disproving what is blatantly false.

    The enemy has come in like a flood, and God’s watchmen and prophets have a responsibility to call this nonsense out. I do not care one iota who’s feelings are hurt by my blunt verbiage because I care more about souls ending up in the great tribulation or worse, the lake of fire over poison being passed off as the word of God.

    Jesus is coming for a spotless bride who has made herself ready. She has worked out her salvation with fear and trembling and has no spots or wrinkles on her wedding garments. The Laodicean remnant are going into the great tribulation where the beast and false prophet are given power and authority to slaughter them. They will be martyrs or they will abandon their faith in a great falling away from the faith, accepting the mark of the beast and turning in christians in order to buy, sell or trade FOOD AND SHELTER, for which they will be cast into the lake of fire. When there are no christians left, God will pour out his wrath, and he is angry enough that he has chosen ahead of time to cut those days short or there would be no flesh left upon the earth.

    Repent, cleanse your hearts and wedding garments or suffer the consequences of failure to prepare for the outtranslation of the bride of Christ before the great tribulation begins.

  24. Erika

    Amen! You are a true child of God, because He allowed you to know the mystery of tribulation. Yes! Pre tribulation is a false teaching, all you who are reading this, study the revelation 20:4-6, the first resurection of the dead are included those who did not received the mark of the beast and beheaded, Paul explain that the dead of Christ will rise first before the catching away in the clouds (rapture) , therefore, rapture will happen after the tribulation period, after those who are in Christ are beheaded, because they did not accept the mark of the beast, and those remaining Christians that are still alive are the ones who will be raptured.

    Revelation 20:4-6 New International Version (NIV)

    4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

  25. All these commentaries show the confusion in the body of Christ. I wonder for long time now, why the american christians spend so much time with the rapture.

    1. America will be destroyed before the seven years of the Antichrist and before the rapture. America musst be destroyed first to bring the New World Order. So why do you care about the rapture?

    2.In 1. Corinthians 15,51….Paul makes clear, we will be taken away by the last trumpet and the last trumpet is the seventh. We will be taken away by the seventh trumpet before the 7 bowls of wrath of God. This is why it is written, we will not see the wrath of God.

    3. In 2. Thessalonians 2,3…Paul said: we will not be taken away before the falling away and the coming of the Antichrist. He said also, the Holy Spirit will” go out of the way” to make the way free for the Antichrist. The Holy Spirit keeps him back, not the sleepy, weak church.

    4. To the Philadelfia church Jesus said: because you kept my word, I will beware you in the hour of seduction, that will come above the earth…what will be the seduction? the Mark of the Beast. Jesus will give you the strength to say No.

    5. Michael will throw the devil on the earth, so the devil will be very angry especially against the christians and make war against them. In Revelation 13,7….it says: the Beast will fight against the Saints and overcome them…who musst go to prison, he will go to prison. Who musst die through the sword, he will die through the sword. Here is pacience and faith of the believers.

    6. In Revel. 20,4…who was beheaded for Jesus and didn’t take the Mark of the Beast, they will be resurrected and reign with Jesus for thousand years. The other dead will not be resurrected until the End of the thousand years. As I know all the pre-trip teachers, teach that they will reign with Jesus in the Millenium!!! they don’t read the whole, they take only the rosines.

    7. Lucas 21,16 tell us to pray, to escape what is coming: Noah and Lot escaped but they were here on earth. In Revelation 12,14…we see that the “woman” was protected in the desert and also in the Endtime speeches of Jesus is said: if you see these signs…flee to the mountains. God will have places of refuge for his people. Some people will go there and be protected, others will be killed. All of them dead or alive will be taken in the rapture some days before the second coming.
    How will we know what to do, where to go? this will be the business of the coming Elijah and the Endtime prophets: to tell people where to go, what to do.

    Most of the christians wish to go from sofa with a cup of coffee to heaven. Forget it: prepare to bow your knees and your neck down like our brothers and sisters in Syria and Libya to be beheaded. I pray every day for the persecuted that they will be taken before they feel the sword.
    The last church will have the same life like the first church. Rejoice!

    Nettie, don’t forget, Jesus will shorten the time.

  26. dean

    i think only man child 144,000 raptured early in troubled times,i think we are currently heading into 3rd seal financial collapse.In my opinion in not the too distant future 144,000 go to God,maybe when war starts nukes ,fin collapse gets real bad ,martial law riots etc ufo disclosure.

  27. Dean

    Hi everyone, dee from Oz,
    Yeap its pre trib,
    Check out .rapture puzzle. On youtube.
    I was blown away by this lasses 20 year journey to solve it, start with the 60 minute version first. Its new years eve coming for the First Fruits.
    Not long to see if she is right or not.
    See you in the clouds…..

  28. David

    I have been saved a Holy Spirit-filled since the year 1983. But in the year 2013, the Lord gave me many end-time dreams waking me up to the time on the prophetical time clock. We know that all things will be done according to the Biblical prophecies. Those of us that have been watching for many years know that many things that have taken place and not according to the charts and diagrams provided by many good men such as Hal Lyndsey, Grant Jeffreys, and so many more names could be mentioned. I have heard good Biblically made arguments for pre, post and other rapture scenarios. Revelation 6:17 for the great day of His wrath has come. We know by verses in 1Thess 5:9 were not appointed to suffer God’s wrath. Luke 21 states pray that we escape all these things mentioned in the previous verses. I am praying for a pretribulation rapture but much evidence seems to point towards a prewrath escape or rapture. No matter when the rapture happens Jesus Christ said were to love one another not tear each other up over a doctrinal timeline…

  29. Anne Noll

    TO STEVE HOLMES: AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! GOD bless you for speaking up! SO many pronouncements that do not go along with scripture. !!! People…the Pre Trib Rapture has been taught by EVERY major theologian since Paul! Don’t believe me…? Check out Justin Martyr, Iraneous, Josephus, Tertullian, Augustine… or don’t…but STOP please with the worn out Darby stuff. It just shows you are repeating what you have heard..as in HEARSAY!…instead of searching out the matter for TRUTH! God Bless all…we need it!

  30. Jesse Terrell

    Hahahaha…it’s not really funny, but it is amusing. For many years, over 45 years, I’ve noticed that rapture/no rapture arguments in the church are absolutely the worst. Christians (?) want to pull each other’s hair out. It’s really humorous because the posts we read–on this site—about East coast tsunamis, or California falling into the ocean, or stock market crash, or a Russian/Chinese invasion—if ANY of these things happen—do you think folks will still be arguing about the “rapture”? I think not. Praise GOD.

  31. Thank you S.S for this, God bless.

  32. Dana

    Steve Holmes, thank you for posting this. I have also seen some things that are unBiblical posted here – aliens and date setting for the end of the age, for example. That is nonsense!

    I also see folks posting dreams and wanting interpretation. That can lead to much confusion!

    There is way too much confusion on this site. GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION!

    The administrator really needs to take things in hand and stop posting some of these.

  33. Birdee

    Dear Brothers and Sisters, in all of this discussion may we be respectful to one another and may the discussion encourage all to dig in deeper the Word of God.
    Just a note on 2 Thes. 2, a very important chapter indeed. Notice 2:1 the coming of the Lord “parousia” same exact word Jesus spoke – the visible second coming
    and by our gathering to him, Paul is speaking to the believers of that time, the new born church…He is saying the return of Jesus Christ is synonymous with the gathering of His people (elsewhere in the letters too) Really encourage serious believers to explore the Greek easily found for study on blueletterbible
    2 Thes. 2:7 “ginomai ek mesos” literally (not my opinion) means come on the public scene up from the middle… This matches perfectly with what Paul says in v.3 and 4 that the son of perdition be revealed, also REv 13. the Beast who rises out of the sea. Encouragement to explore original languages…The Holy Spirit is never taken away…the “he” in 2 Thes. 2. is not Holy Spirit, that would be “pneuma hagios” is not there….
    A thought, Luke 21:36 worthy to escape all these things…the previous 2 verses talk about specific sins, and that would become a snare for those who are not watching and living for God, so by our obedience we escape the snare,…Please be very careful with translations, the Word of God Himself is perfect, may we be diligent in our studies….Lots to chew on, may the process of sharing learning be edifying, peace to all…

  34. Birdee

    Dear Brothers and Sisters, in all of this discussion may we be respectful to one another and may the discussion encourage all to dig in deeper the Word of God.
    Just a note on 2 Thes. 2, a very important chapter indeed. Notice 2:1 the coming of the Lord “parousia” same exact word Jesus spoke – the visible second coming
    and by our gathering to him, Paul is speaking to the believers of that time, the new born church…He is saying the return of Jesus Christ is synonymous with the gathering of His people (elsewhere in the letters too) Really encourage serious believers to explore the Greek easily found for study on blueletterbible
    2 Thes. 2:7 “ginomai ek mesos” literally (not my opinion) means come on the public scene up from the middle… This matches perfectly with what Paul says in v.3 and 4 that the son of perdition be revealed, also REv 13. the Beast who rises out of the sea. Encouragement to explore original languages…The Holy Spirit is never taken away…the “he” in 2 Thes. 2. is not Holy Spirit, that would be “pneuma hagios” is not there….Please be very careful with translations, the Word of God Himself is perfect, may we be diligent in our studies….
    Lots to chew on, may the process of sharing learning be edifying, peace to all..

  35. S.S

    Hi,
    Most have misinterpreted my previous post that Christians will face entire 7 years Tribulation period.

    This is wrong. Church is appointed to face Tribulation period but will be raptured at seventh Trumpet during Great Tribulation.

  36. S.S

    Hi,
    Most have misinterpreted my post that Christians will face entire 7 years Tribulation period.

    This is wrong. Church is appointed to face Tribulation period but will be raptured at seventh Trumpet during Great Tribulation.

  37. Amen! Moreover . . .

    Those “kept from the hour of trial” (Rev3:10) are those who received or yet to receive God’s seal on their forehead prior to the releasing of Rev7:1-3’s four winds/spirits (144K, Revelation 7:3-8). All others will be tested (Revelation 3:10-19), and “gathered one by one” when refined (Isaiah 4:4; 27:12; Matt3:12).

    Even if one never read the innumerable OT verses which speak of the Jewish remnant who’ll be preserved, 1Thess4:17’s “We who are alive and remain” screams SURVIVORS – the remnant of Jacob – who God promised to preserve, as foreshadowed in Genesis 45:7; as it is written: “Then we who live, who SURVIVE [the tribulation], shall be caught up together with them in clouds to meet the Lord in the air, . .” (1Thess4:17; NCE).

    1Thess4:17’s Jewish remnant who’ll be caught-up/raptured alive is mirrored in Isaiah 4:3: “And it shall come to pass that he who is LEFT in Zion and REMAINS in Jerusalem will be called holy – everyone who is recorded among the LIVING in Jerusalem.” Again, compare with 1Thessalonians 4:17: “Then we who are ALIVE and REMAIN shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord” (NKJV).

    Below are some biblical passages which foreshadow or speak of or allude to those who’ll be raptured alive – spoken of in 1Thessalonians 4:17 (all other saints “will be gathered one by one” when refined by one of Rev8or9’s Feast-of-TRUMPet judgments; see Isaiah 27:12-13; their souls to rest in Paradise; and raised up on resurrection day of the just, to meet the LORD in the air along w/Jacob’s remnant who’ll be raptured alive. Bowls of wrath are reserved for the wicked):

    Genesis 45:7: “And God sent me before you to preserve a posterity for you in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance.”

    Deuteronomy 28:62: “You shall be *left few in number, whereas you were as the stars of heaven in multitude, . .” (Again, foretelling of 1Thess4:17’s “alive and remaining” remnant who’ll be caught up to meet the LORD)!

    Numbers 1:46: “So all who were numbered of the children of Israel, by their fathers’ houses, from twenty years old and above, all who were able to go to war in Israel – all who were number were six hundred and three thousand five hundred and fifty.” This may(?) allude to the “tenth tithe offering”; e.g., Revelation 11:13’s 63,000 who survive the great earthquake and give God glory (Genesis 45:7’s “posterity” that’s preserved – who’ll be caught up alive to meet LORD in the air; 1Thess4:17)?

    Isaiah 1:9: “Unless the LORD of hosts had left to us a very small *remnant, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been made like Gomorrah.” *Alluding to 1Thess4:17’s “alive and remaining” remnant who’ll be caught up alive!

    Isaiah 4:3 (reiterated): “And it shall come to pass that he who is left in Zion, and REMAINS in Jerusalem will be called holy – everyone who is recorded among the LIVING in Jerusalem.” Again, 1Thess4:1’s “alive and remaining” trib survivors who’ll be raptured alive refer to Jacob’s remnant – the “preserved posterity” of Genesis 45:7!

    Isaiah 10:22: “For though your people, O Israel, be as the sand of the sea, a remnant of them will return; . .” (1Thess4:17’s remnant)!

    Isaiah 11:11: “It shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people who are left.”

    Isaiah 16:14: “But now the LORD has spoken, saying, ‘Within three years, as the years of a hired man, the glory of Moab will be despised with all that great multitude [Rev7:9], and the remnant [1Thess4:17] will be very small and feeble.”

    Isaiah 28:5: “In that day the LORD of hosts will be for a crown of glory [when God’s seal, the Morning Star rises in them, they’ll look as though wearing a crown – like Moses’ glow] and a diadem of beauty to the remnant of His people.” Note: The Morning Star (God’s seal – Jesus Christ – whose glory will rise in believers’ on resurrection day of the just [yet some earlier – *those who have been sealed to serve during the trib], was alluded to in Genesis 32:31, when “the sun rose on” Jacob! Also see Isaiah 60:1-3; Enoch 1:8)!

    Isaiah 37:4: “. . . Therefore lift up your prayer for the remnant that is left.”

    Isaiah 37:31-32: “And the remnant who have escaped of the house of Judah shall agin take root downward, and bear fruit upward. For our of Jerusalem shall go a remnant [1Thess4:17’s alive and remaining remnant], and those who escape from Mount Zion. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.”

    Isaiah 43:1-3: “But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob, and He who formed you, O Israel: Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by your name; you are Mine. When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow you. When you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned, nor shall the flame scorch you. For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior.”

    Isaiah 46:3-4: “Listen to Me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, who have been upheld by Me from birth . . . even I will carry, and will deliver you.”

    Jeremiah 4:27: “For thus says the LORD: The whole land shall be desolate; yet I will not make a full end.”

    Jeremiah 5:15-18: “Behold, I will bring a nation against you from afar, O house of Israel, says the LORD. It is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language you do not know, nor can you understand what they say [referring to “aliens” = those wicked angels cast out of heaven; Rev12:9]. . . Nevertheless in those days, says the LORD, I will not make a complete end of you” – because God promised to preserve a posterity (Gen45:7) = 1Thess4:17’s alive and remaining remnant who’ll be caught up alive to meet the LORD in the air!

    Jeremiah 23:3: “”But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.”

    Jeremiah 40:11: “Likewise, when all the Jews who were in Moab, among the Amonites, in Edom, and who were in the countries, heard that the king of Babylon had left a remnant of Judah, . .”

    Jeremiah 44:28, “Yet a small number who escape the sword shall return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah; and all the remnant of Judah, . .”

    Ezekiel 6:8: “Yet I will leave a remnant, so that you may have some who escape the sword among the nations, when you are scattered through the countries.” (Also see Ezekiel 9:8; 11:13.)

    Ezekiel 12:16: “But I will spare a few of their men from the sword, from famine, and from pestilence, that they may declare all their abominations among the Gentiles wherever they go. Then they shall know that I am the LORD.”

    Joel 2:32: “And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the remnant whom the LORD calls.”

    Amos 5:15: “Hate evil, love good; establish justice in the gate. It may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.”

    Micah 2:12: “I will surely assemble all of you, O Jacob, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together like sheep of the fold, like a flock in the midst of their pasture; they shall make a loud noise because of so many people. The one who breaks open will COME UP [1Thess4:17] before them; they will break out, pass through the gate, and go out by it; their king will pass before them, with the LORD at their head.”

    Micah 5:3-8: And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of the forest, . .”

    Zechariah 12:7: “The LORD will save the tents of Judah first [places His seal on foreheads; Rev7:5], so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah.”

    Zechariah 12:9-10: “It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; they [1Thess4:17 / Rev11:13’s remnant?] whom they pierced. . .”

    Zechariah 14:2: “For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, but the REMNANT of the people shall not be cut off from the city” (cp Gen45:7; Isaiah 4:3; 1Thess4:17; Rev11:13].

    Matthew 24:22: “And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the *elect’s [Ezekiel 12:16; Isaiah 43:1-3] sake those days will be shortened.” *The elect = the promised preserved remnant of Genesis 45:7 = 1Thess4:17’s “alive and remaining” remnant who’ll be raptured alive – to meet the LORD in the air!

    Romans 9:27: “Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: ‘Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, the remnant [1Thess4:17’s “alive and remaining”] shall be saved.’”

    Romans 11:25: “For I do not desire, brethren, that you should b e ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles [Rev7:9’s great multitudes; Rev12:17’s offspring, the endtime gentile church saints] has come in [via one of Rev8or9’s Feast-of-TRUMPet judgments].”

    1Thessalonians 4:17: “Then we [Jews – Jacob’s remnant, see Isaiah 4:3] who are alive and remain [survive the trib] shall be caught up together with them in the clouds [after the “fullness of the Gentiles have come in”; Romans 11:25] to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” 🤗

  38. Birdee, nobody said that the Holy Spirit will be taken away. I said: the Holy Spirit will go out of the way…this is the Greek meaning. The Holy Spirit allows the Antichrist to arise. The Holy Spirit will always be here and He is the only person, who keeps the Antichrist back, not the church as some believe. From the contex you understand, that is the Holy Spirit, Agio Pneuma.
    I’m Greek and I understand what is written in Thessalonians, I grew up in Thessaloniki.
    I have heard the voice of God several times: it is the voice of a man, not of a woman.

  39. Matt

    The bride of Jesus Christ is called, chosen, and faithful to God. The Lord has come to divide. Judgement begins in the house of God. The remnant bride of Jesus will be glorified to bring in the final harvest before great tribulation. Those virgins who do not have oil in their lamps will miss the rapture and most will become tribulation saints. God will obviously not have his faithful bride endure the great tribulation with the lukewarm and lost souls. Painfully obvious to anyone who has studied God’s word. Many Christians do not know how to rightly divide scripture.

    2 Thessalonians 1:3-10

    3We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

    The heavens and the earth will shake during the Day of the Lord. On this Day, the Lord shall strike down the nations that come against Israel described in Ezekiel 38. This dual shaking is described in Revelation 6. The Lord will call down the high ones from on high, as the prophet Joel explained. The Nephilim will be on earth and are part of the great deception.

    The approximate 7 year period described as “the tribulation” is not described in the Bible. Daniel’s 70th week is this approximate 7 year period. Tribulation is just a time of testing or trial. The remnant bride as well as those who miss the rapture all endure tribulation at some point. The great tribulation lasts 3.5 years approximately and begins when antichrist claims to be God and sets up the abomination of desolation.

    The warrior brides will be taken to a place of safety to flee from the dragon according to Revelation 12. They will first share the gospel in Mystery Babylon America, because it will be the first country to be largely destroyed by nuclear attacks. Russia, China, and North Korea will then invade. The remnant bride of Lord Jesus will then go forth unto all the earth to heal the sick, share the gospel of the kingdom of Lord Jesus, and strike down demons in Jesus name.

  40. Deanna

    Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

    Luke 17:34-37
    I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.” And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.”

    According to this scripture the taken are where there are corpse’s and vultures.

    Isaiah 5:20
    20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    This scripture should speak to you that in the end-times everything will be flipped.

    Evil will be wiped off this earth, the earth will be cleansed. God’s people will “STAND”!

    Daniel 7:22,27
    Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom…

    The SECOND COMING, not the Third, fourth or what ever coming.

    We don’t RUN AWAY….we FIGHT!

    Psalm 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the wicked? Who will stand for me against the workers of iniquity? (ME Father…I WILL!! Help me Father to gird myself for battle by the power of your Holy Spirit, I count it all worth it!! )

    Ephesians 6:12
    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Proverbs 28:1
    The wicked FLEE when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.

  41. JHAE

    Whether rapture happens before or after tribulation is not important what’s important is that we keep our focus on Jesus especially in this last days and help lead as many souls to Jesus
    Those who focus too much on pretribulation rapture need to be careful as events all over the world gets worse and worse the time will come when they will start getting impatient anxious or worse start questioning their beliefs in God

  42. Hannah

    I have never seen such a gushing, panicked reply to any posting than this. This is because the “Pre-Trib” theology teaches we won’t have to suffer, and that is what keeps many Christians comfortable. They could not bear for that to be false.

    Ask yourself! See for yourself! There are no such vehement replies to any postings as this.

    This is a problem. What percent of the sower’s seeds fell among the rocks? The same percent of Christians who believe in this fantasy. They are afraid. They refuse to admit the truth that their lives might become uncomfortable.

    Did not our Lord speak of these things when he said many will turn from the faith in those days?

    No reply or refutation is needed here. Everything you need to know is displayed by the forceful protests of those who refuse to suffer for Christ, and the plain, cleat teaching of the Bible.

    Don’t believe your pastor. Don’t believe your friends. Don’t believe a book series. Simply read God’s Word honestly and accept it. When one is led to Christ only from a Bible, the truth is clear. Tell the Lord, please show me. Did he not say everyone who seeks, finds?

    Are you seeking? Or are you justifying non-scriptural stories out of fear? It’s up to you.

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