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The Characteristics of an Absalom Spirit – Bella Orsi

The Characteristics of an Absalom Spirit

Nov 15, 2019 6:18 PM
Bella Orsi

This spirit is fueled by human wisdom, complaint, gossip and a desire to prove what is right and to use that information to force change in a church. The complaints are often accurate, yet they aren’t driven by the spirit of truth, they are empowered by a demonic spirit.

Almost everything in the Church is put into the category of Jezebel. Believe me, there is plenty of ol’ “Jez” to go around. But there are other characters in Scripture that teach us how Satan infects people.
Absalom or the Absalum “spirit” is one such tactic of Satan. If he can’t get you with Jezebel, he’ll get you with Absalom and there are many other tactics.

Let’s not be “unaware of his schemes.”

The Absalom Spirit
(Scripture References Based on II Samuel 13:20-29; 14:23-33; and 15:1-12)

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in a basic distrust and resentment of one’s authority–either justifiable or exaggerated. (13:20,21)

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in a basic independence and self dependence–especially as it pertains to honest communication, problem solving, sharing of honest feelings, needs, wants, etc. (13:20)

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in camouflaged bitterness– unresolved disappointments, fear, anger, impotence, etc. (13:22)

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in irrational secrets–that appear totally rational and justified to “the Absalom.” (13:20,22,23)

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in hidden agendas, hidden strategies and hidden alliances. (13:22-29)

Basic Beliefs of the Absalom Spirit:

Most authority is not to be trusted.

Most authority is incompetent.

“I know the right way to handle this.”

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in hidden contempt, hidden hatred and hidden revenge–of authority and those under that authority. (13:22)

An Absalom Spirit Is Rooted In Pride (14:23-26)

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in rebellion–that will grow and grow and become unquenchable. (14:27-30)

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in a deep-seated desire to be close to/next to/in a place of favor with the one in authority, but not with purity of heart. (14:30-33)

An Absalom Spirit is rooted in impressing and stealing the hearts of the people who are under authority in order to eventually “dethrone” and replace the one in authority.
(15:1-12)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in self-promotion. (15:1)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in a carefully constructed and carefully projected image–one that is designed to impress. (15:1)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in manipulation. (15:1)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in selfish ambition–disguised to appear as service to others. (15:2)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in opportunism–self-advancement at the expense of others. (15:2)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in divisiveness, antagonism, and negative criticism of authorities to promote self. (5:3)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in rebellion and/or insurrectionism. (15:4)

An Absalom Spirit Manifests In False Humility (15:5)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in thievery–stealing the hearts and loyalty of the people away from their true authority. (15:6)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in treachery…. This is no innocent disagreement. Absalom is dangerous. (15:7-10)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in subtle seduction. (15:11)

An Absalom Spirit manifests in religious hypocrisy and hype.
(15:12) “..while offering sacrifices..” (v. 12)

An Absalom Spirit Manifests In Betrayal (15:12)

Later, Ahithopehl joins Absalom’s rebellion. Ahithophel means: A brother/kindred: to smear, plaster, slime. A brother to (or those who) smear, slime.

Warning: Absalom is not your friend.

A Healing For Ahithophel

Those of us who have the trust of our leader(s) are targets for an Absalom spirit.

Stay loyal to leaders who are putting their trust in you even if they are not perfect or adequate. Either be loyal or quit.

Confront any Absalom who tries to manipulate you and use you.

Go straight to your leader and tell them about “Absalom” before it is too late for them and for you. (15:1)

• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom have an attitude of spiritual pride.
A person with an Absalom Spirit is usually but not always is young in the Lord or immature in the ways of God (You’re only young once, but you can be immature forever). Like most adolescent’s, they think that their ideas are more anointed than anyone else’s. They believe that their way is better than what the leadership has to offer, so they try to persuade leadership to do it their way.

They are cloaked in religion, and even though they put on a show of being submitted to leadership, they are not submitted in their heart. This is most likely what happened when Absalom went before King David to plead his case (2 Sam. 14:33).
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom get their feelings hurt easily.
If leadership does not follow their suggestions or teach their doctrinal beliefs, the Absalom spirit becomes offended. Once they are offended, they begin to suspiciously question every decision or spiritual insight that the leaders bring forth.
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom use their own ideas as criteria for judgment of ALL decisions of leadership.

From that point on, all leadership teachings and decisions are questioned. Nothing that leadership says or does is right, and they begin to judge leadership out of the critical Absalom spirit that now dominates them.
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom lose their loyalty and servanthood.

Once the decision to oppose leadership has been made in their heart, they lose their loyalty and their servanthood to leadership. This is caused by an independent spirit (Phil. 2:20-21). Absalom lost his obedience and servant hood, and that’s when his rebellion against David set in (2 Sam. 15:1-12).
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom maneuver for recognition and the praise of men.

The first move in rebellion against the leadership is to get visibly active in a ministry among the people. Absalom stood by the gate where he could be seen and ministered a flattering word to the people as they passed by (2 Sam. 15:2).
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom undermine leadership among the people.

The Absalom spirit moves among the people and distorts not only the teaching, but the decisions of the leadership. Progressively discrediting and tearing down leadership is the only way in which Absalom can justify his rebellion in the eyes of his potential followers (2 Sam. 15:3).
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom suggest a better way and steals the hearts of the people.

In the midst of discrediting the leadership, the Absalom spirit suggests that he has a better way. That better way always tickles the ears and the flesh of those who will listen. When Absalom did this he, “… stole away the hearts of the people” and some began to follow him (2 Samuel 15:4-6).
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom gathers followers to himself.

Once the Absalom spirit gains the people’s confidence, he starts gathering people to himself. Initially he promotes these gatherings as fellowship times built around a Bible study, prayer or dinner, but his real purpose is to provide an opportunity where he can begin criticizing leadership.
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom feeds their followers on their critical and fault finding spirit.

These fellowships soon turn into fault finding sessions in which Absalom ends up pronouncing his judgment concerning some imagined error he believes leadership is in. Absalom’s criticisms all begin with little things that he personally doesn’t like or agree with. Things like, “He dresses weird,” or “I don’t like the way he flows in a certain gift of the Holy Spirit” or “What he said was offensive.” Then the Absalom spirit leads the group into demonic imaginations like, “I don’t like the direction the church is going,” and “I see cultic activity starting to develop” or “I think he’s in sin,” or “He’s probably stealing church money,” etc. Then Absalom counsels his followers to leave the church and follow him in his new Bible study/prayer group, etc. (2 Sam. 15:6).
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom conspire to manipulate the innocent.

This new group generally degenerates into a conspiracy to destroy the leadership. After Absalom breaks away from the church, he will many times send some of his followers into the congregation as spies to sow seeds of dissension among the people in an effort to manipulate the innocent into rebelling also. Then the conspiracy becomes bold to the point where Absalom either calls the rest of the church on the phone (or internet), or sends them a letter falsely accusing the pastor and warning them to leave the church for their own good. He will even go after the subordinate leaders or those in training for leadership. For example, Absalom went after Ahithophel, who was David’s Chief Military Officer and right-hand man. It is at this time that the leadership is informed of the conspiracy (2 Sam. 15:10-13).
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom seek an audience.

2 Samuel 15:2 Now Absalom would rise early and stand beside the way to the gate. So it was, whenever anyone who had a lawsuit came to the king for a decision, that Absalom would call to him and say, “What city are you from?” And he would say, “Your servant is from such and such a tribe of Israel.”

Their tools are love, kindness and favor. Who wants to resist that?
• Absalom caused division by sweetness, “stealing the hearts of David’s followers”
• 2 Samuel 15:5 And so it was, whenever anyone came near to bow down to him, that he would put out his hand and take him and kiss him.
• Tells people, “You are special to me and my friend”. “I love you more than the pastor; I will spend the quality time with you he doesn’t”.
• Special treatment: Coffee, Tea, fellowship, trips, gifts, favors. Everyone likes to be treated special. Everyone wants to feel special.
• Those used by a Spirit of Absalom thinks that nothing the pastor/leadership does is good enough. Even if most of Absalom’s ideas are implemented it will never be good enough. Fault will always be found.

They plant doubt concerning leadership. They find faults in leaders usually not related to spiritual qualifications, and minor things are made major issues; such as what kind of car the pastor drives, how long he takes to receive offerings, etc.

MORE RED FLAGS ~~~
AN INDEPENDENT SPIRIT – An attitude of independence emerges when the person no longer
wants to serve the leadership but seeks recognition and a reputation.
2. SELF-PROMOTION – The person will maneuver for the praise of men. In II Samuel 15, Absalom
stole the hearts of the people.
3. SPIRITUAL PRIDE – As people recognize and praise the deceived individual, he begins to
believe that he is more spiritual than the leaders.
4. AN OFFENDED SPIRIT – The Absalom falls into an offended spirit because of spiritual pride.
When his ideas and gifts are not promoted by the leadership as he believes they should be, he
becomes highly offended. Often he will seek others that will agree with him in his offense.
5. A CRITICAL SPIRIT – Almost all the decisions of the leaders are questioned and undermined to
the people. Sadly, with this critical spirit, the Absalom no longer can receive any spiritual feeding
or direction from the leadership.
6. A COMPETITIVE SPIRIT – The Absalom sees himself in competition with the church leadership
and begins to distort and misrepresent the decisions and directives the leaders are giving.
7. SOWING STRIFE AND DIVISION – The Absalom will take his offenses to many individuals in the
church and spread his discontent through various means.
8. ACCUSING THE LEADERSHIP – The Absalom feeds his followers his critical spirit and
faultfinding. Minor things, usually not related to God’s spiritual qualifications, will be made major
issues, such as what kind of car the pastor drives, how long he takes to receive the offerings, etc.
9. OPEN DISLOYALTY AND DIVISION – The Absalom feels that many are following him so he
boldly brings his disloyalty out into the open. At this point the leaders become aware of his
discontented splinter group. Now the people are forced to make a choice between the leaders of
the church and the Absalom who has deceived them.
10. A BOLD CONSPIRACY – The Absalom justifies his conspiracy to everyone by focusing their
attention on all the minor issues that he has found fault with in the leadership. (Usually, the
Absalom does not have legitimate accusations such as the preaching of false doctrines or blatant
sin on the part of the pastors.)
11. A CHURCH SPLIT – The Absalom leads a naive splinter group out to the birth of a new church or
ministry. Declare a new vision.
12. GOD’S JUDGMENT ON THE REBELLIOUS CHURCH – The scripture tells us, “if the root be evil,
the whole tree will be evil,” and every church or ministry that is birthed by an Absalom spirit will be
full of rebellion, disloyalty, and continual church splits.

HOW TO DISCERN AND DEAL WITH THE REBELLION OF THE SPIRIT ABSALOM:
I see so many politicians with the Spirit of Absalom on TV/Internet these days. HOW DO YOU DISCERN THIS DECEITFUL SPIRIT ? END DAYS??
1). Offense & hatred; Unforgiveness & Bitterness.
Matthew 24:3,10 What will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” …10 “And then many will be offended,
will betray one another, and will hate one another.
2). Revenge, discredit and ruin.
2 Samuel 15:6 In this manner Absalom acted toward all Israel who came to the king for judgment. So Absalom stole the
hearts of the men of Israel.
3). Absalom Hurts the Most by creating division through hatred
Psalm 55:12-14 For it is not an enemy who reproaches me; Then I could bear it. Nor is it one who hates me who has
exalted himself against me; Then I could hide from him. But it was you, a man my equal, my companion and my
acquaintance. We took sweet counsel together, and walked to the house of God in the throng.
2 Samuel 15:12 Then Absalom sent for Ahithophel the Gilonite, David’s counselor, from his city–from Giloh–while he
offered sacrifices. And the conspiracy grew strong, for the people with Absalom continually increased in number.
4). They seek an audience.
2 Samuel 15:2 Now Absalom would rise early and stand beside the way to the gate. So it
was, whenever anyone who had a lawsuit came to the king for a decision, that Absalom
would call to him and say, “What city are you from?” And he would say, “Your servant
is from such and such a tribe of Israel.”
5). Love, kindness and favor are their tools. Who can resist that?
6). Absalom caused division by sweetness, “stealing the hearts of David’s followers”
2 Samuel 15:5 And so it was, whenever anyone came near to bow down to him, that he would put out his h
7). People are emotionally attached to them through relationships.
8). Absalom is nice, lovable and popular. Everyone loved Absalom (even David).
9). To deal with them appears as unloving. The only way to deal with him is to cut him off. Had
David not let him back into the kingdom he would not have had a problem. Many times
those who operate in an Absalom spirit will leave a church out of rebellion, but want to stay
a part in fellowship. “We are still apart of the kingdom of God even if we are not in the same
church” is the spiritual reasoning. The logic sounds good, but the past history and the fact
that they are causing division are the indicators that their true motive is not for fellowship.
10). They attack Leaders to make it appears as if the pastor/leadership is paranoid.
11). Nothing the pastor/leadership does is good enough for Absalom. Even if most of Absalom’s
ideas are implemented it will never be good enough. Fault will always be found.
12). They plant doubt concerning leadership. They find faults in leaders usually not related to
spiritual qualifications, and minor things are made major issues; such as what kind of car
the pastor drives, how long he takes to receive offerings, etc.
2 Samuel 15:4 Moreover Absalom would say, “Oh, that I were made judge in the land, and everyone who has any suit
or cause would come to me; then I would give him justice.
13). They have a hidden agenda. His motives were not known until they manifested and it was
too late. You know where you stand with Jezebel and Korah, but Absalom is sneaky, and
does things behind your back.
14). Absalom tells you what you want to hear. A pastor’s job is to speak the truth in love;
sometimes that truth hurts and requires change, but it is always for our good.
15). They eventually come forward with open disloyalty and division.
16). They can charm the pants off of you when they want something. Especially a vote. Proverbs 31:30 Charm is deceitful
***Deception means you don’t know you are being deceived.
17). They prey upon our insecurities and need for acceptance.
2 Samuel 15:5 And so it was, whenever anyone came near to bow down to him, that he would put out his hand and take
him and kiss him.
***Their involvement is coming against the God’s established authority and seeking to divide His kingdom

How to Deal with This Spirit:
1. Discerning of spirits needed from leadership.
2. Proper role modeling. If the rest of the sheep see you hobnobbing with Absalom, then they
will think it is okay also.
3. Have a sheep-dog mentality. Protect the sheep from being kissed (bitten).
Wolves don’t come dressed as wolves, but sheep.
4. Stop tolerating their antics. Put an end to the Absalom spirit.
5. Don’t give them a place in the life of the body
2 Samuel 14:21 And the king said to Joab, “All right, I have granted this thing. Go therefore, bring back the young man
Absalom.”
6. Avoid promoting people until the true character is proven.
7. Mark those who cause division and avoid them.
Romans 16:17-18 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which
you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by
smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.
8. Pray for them. DELIVERANCE THROUGH PRAYER TEAM/SOLO/SELF
Luke 6:26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you, For so did their fathers to the false prophets. 27 “But I say to you
who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 “bless those who curse you, and pray for those who
spitefully use you.
9. Leave vengeance to the Lord. Their own pride will bring them down
2 Samuel 18:9, 14 “His head got caught in the terebinth tree; so he was left hanging … Joab … took three spears in his
hand and thrust them through Absalom’s heart
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall.

PRAYER:
BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, I submit myself to GOD and RESIST you SATAN and may the LORD rebuke you through CHRIST’S victory at the CROSS by his death and resurrection you are a defeated FOE. And he disarmed all principalities and rulers and made a public spectacle of them. The WORD OF GOD says I HAVE BEEN GIVEN POWER AND AUTHORITY over all the power of the ENEMY. So I EXERCISE my GOD GIVEN AUTHORITY and BIND YOU and the following ~ From ALL ACTIVITY and ASSIGNMENTS.

ALL PRINCIPALITIES, POWERS< RULERS OF THE KINGDOM OF DARKNESS, SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES, DEVILS and DEMONS, SPIRITS OF THE UNDER WORLD, SPIRIT BIRDS, SPIRIT HORSES and Horsemen, familiar spirits and especially EVIL. Spirits of BAPHOMET, BELIAL, BEELZEBUB, AHAB, JEZEBEL, ABSALOM, AMNON, ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA, THE ANTICHRIST, LILITH, BABYLON, MAMMON, BALAAM, EGYPT, PHAROAH AND HEROD, JUDAS, KORAH, NABAL, SAMARIA, BEHEMOTH AND LEVIATHON, MARINE SPIRITS, ANIMAL SPIRITS and spirits of the valley and desert and demonic princes! Also demonic spirits of addiction, distilled spirits in alcohol, fire demons in tobacco for chain smoking, suicide, affinity, affliction, apathy, Carnality, competition, confusion, deaf and dumb, death, depressions, desolation, divination, fear and torment, idolatry, jealousy, and envy, madness or mental illness, murder, oppression, perversion, poverty and financial curses, rebellion, rejection, religion, legalism, pride, lust, sabotage, seduction, shame, suspicion, tradition, and all unclean spirits, vexation spirits and unholy alliances! Also every evil creature, evil person, evil organization, including the ILLUMINATI, FREE MASON, TEMPLAR KNIGHTS, 9th CIRCLE, SKULL AND BONES, THE OCTOPUS, SCIENTOLOGY, NEW WORLD ORDER, KABBALAH andALL FALSE RELIGIONS and belief systems, all form of WITCHCRAFT and occult practices, all generational and ancestral curses, spirits of the PYTHON, break all ungodly soul tie husbands and wives, bastard strongholds, and everything and and anything in opposition and rebellion to the LORD GOD almighty and his will and purposes and in the name of Jesus you must comply and obey these COMMANDS and DIRECT ORDERS without any RESISTANCE or RETALIATION. For it is written EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW at the name of JESUS CHRIST and every tongue confess JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.

In the name of JESUS I banish you and drive you out of my presence, my family, my friends, our children’s, the body of CHRIST our churches, their leaders and families, our homes, our PETS and especially the UNSAVED and I COMMAND YOU to stay far away from us and in JESUS’S name I forbid you to interfere in our lives and prohibit all SATANIC SURVEILLANCE.

In JESUS name I also COMMAND all demonic powers and alliances to get out of our JOBS, CAREERS, occupations, world governments, all military establishments, all PRISONS, our school systems, healthcare and obamacare, pharmaceutical industry, mental healthcare, medical research, hospitals, food industry, agriculture industry, environment systems, fashion and cosmetic industry, transportation industry, all FORMS OF LITERATURE and EDUCATION, all forms of advertising and imagery. World financial System, entertainment industry including Sports, music, movies, television, video games, theatre, Comedy, radio, and magazines. Our Judicial System, Congress, Law enforcement, all forms of self defence and exercise and in the name of JESUS I BIND you from ALL ACTIVITY and ASSIGNMENTS in these areas and all areas of our society and culture. In the name of JESUS I RENDER< DECREE AND DECLARE every assignment, strategy trap, operation, plot, seeding, ambush, fraudulent attachment or association, decoy, hex, vex, jinx, bewitchment, enchantment, incantation, blueprint, curse, spell, omen, lie, weapon, suggestion, projection, illusion, form of chaos, confusion or deception, illusion fantasy and magic, use of enery, or energy fields, use of subliminal messages or backward masking, all forms of counterfeiting, all evil use of language, all air wave frequencies, all symbols, signs and hand gestures any type of mind control, or mind control devices, use of laws of physics, nature, science, astrology, the atmosphere, solar system, cosmological systems, all celestial, terrestial, sub terrestial, zone domains or dimensions, use of numbers, mathematics or formulas and codes, manipulation of time or sound. All forms of sensuality and lust, all forms of violence and anger, all immoral use of humor, excitement, adrenaline or stimulation, all competetiveness spirit, all forms of immoral pleasure seeking or evil of any kind formed against us in any way, shape, form, or manner through any means possible to be cursed at the root, null and void, powerless, ineffective, cancelled, disarmed, crushed, demolished, destroyed, useless, inoperable and would self destruct and any attempts would backfire against you seven fold. I know LORD that you are our SHIELD, our protector and strong tower and no weapon formed against US WILL PROSPER. I pray that every kingdom and stronghold the enemy has set up comes CRUMBLING AND CRASHING DOWN. LORD if it be your will I pray your wrath would fall upon him with intense fury, violence and complete and total annihilation! LORD JESUS if it be your will I pray you would send Michael the ARC ANGEL and your mightiest warrior angels to do BATTLE AGAINST THE ENEMY and LOOSE ALL the angelic army of heaven and weapons of warfare to STOP his plans and advances against the BODY OF CHRIST and OUR SOCIETY! LORD JESUS I ask you to please protect us by putting GUARDIAN ANGELS around us at all times. Now for complete and full covering and protection I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS OVER ALL OF US including minds, bodies, spirits, souls, emotions, our dreams, memories, imagination, consciousness, sub consciousness, all thoughts, all forms of transportation of our travels, possessions, homes, jobs, vehicles, finances, all forms of communication, the air waves, all forms of media, electronics and mechanical devices, any accidents catastrophies, diseases, illnesses or viruses that may come against us. Everything we eat, drink, taste, breathe, see, hear, touch, feel, all our senses and all parts and systems of the human body and also over all medicines we take, and all of our circumstances and every aspect of our lives down to the finest detail. I also ask you LORD to please reveal to us any gates and doors in our lives that we have left open that the enemy would try to gain access to or sneak in and please close and seal them shut and put angels to be watchmen and guard over them. I also plead the blood of JESUS to protect us from evil of any kind that may come against us. Also pray LORD JESUS under your authority that absolutely nothing the enemy can do will hinder, silence or stop these prayers, decrees, declarations and commands from coming to pass and being fully executed and that he will not be able to find any LOOPHOLES, IMPERFECTIONS or PERFORATIONS of any kind in JESUS’S NAME. I pray this prayer will be in effect till the END OF TIMES and UNHINDERED IN ANY WAY by any one or anything. I also ask you JESUS to please cover us with the full armor of GOD JEHOVAH and may your peace that surpasses all understanding flood our hearts and minds at all times and through all of life Circumstances I also pray for the Salvation of every person on this planet, that not one would perish and all would be saved and come to CHRIST. I ask this all in the matchless name of JESUS. Thank you LORD for your protection, provisions, grace, kindness, unfailing love, faithfulness, forgiveness and mercy, in all things LORD may your will be done for you are SOVEREIGN over all. May you receive all praise, worship, honor, majesty and glory to my KING JESUS CHRIST! Amen 👑 Jesus I ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT TO PUT A HOLY ANOINTING ON THIS PRAYER ~

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4 Comments

  1. Frank

    I battle with this day in and day out. A short testimony is I always had a problem with authority starting in kindergarten on through school on through college with my church is from very young all the way through now. I have come out of the church as many years ago at first glance it’s going to sound like I might have that spirit and maybe I do if I do I repent and I beg God to take it out.

    But here is my issue and I’d like to hear from others about this what is consensus is amongst the brethren. I asked that only those with true discernment answer this because this takes true judgment to weigh the correct answer without eyes to see you’re not going to understand the things I’m talking about here.

    Those versed in the Bible are well aware that from the time we are carried off into Babylon ie daniel that our leaders were not what they appeared to be the truth is we’re still in captivity most people are not aware of this fact. Especially this day and age the churches have all become extremely corrupt just like the Bible said all of the 501 c 3 S are now working with the Antichrist beast of the seat Pope for the new one world religion setting up satan’s throne and the blind sheep are cheering and praising it like it’s a good thing smh. the government’s are definitely corrupt everybody is putting man’s law above God’s law.

    Everybody likes to quote what Paul said about governments are established by God well here’s the counter scripture and there’s a lot of them I’m just quoting and paraphrasing them as they pop into my head as I type this) Hosea it said they made themselves Kings and I knew it not they set themselves up princess but not by me. They said give us a king so I gave them a king in my anger and took him away in my wrath

    Isaiah says my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge… their leaders are light and treacherous persons …
    Their leaders cause them to err and all that are lead of them are destroyed…

    Jeremiah says basically the same things about the leaders all being corrupt as do a lot of other smaller profit books

    Jesus himself in the gospel said they be blind leaders of the blind both will fall in the ditch he was constantly arguing with the churches the synagogues and the government’s so basically pretty much everybody in the Bible is speaking out against government sand quote official leaders Paul is the only one speaking in favor of them and even Paul confirms that if they are of God then we honor them in other words if they’re not preaching the things that are in this Bible have nothing to do with them as he says later about testing the spirits.

    Revelations says that people will be taking the mark of the beast which is the governmental ie microchip so basically in Revelations that tells you don’t listen to your governments or you’ll be led to hell

    Jesus also said in the Gospel of John you are not of the world for I have called you out of the world if the world hates you know that it hated me before it hated you because the world is evil and I testified of the evil if they hate me they will hate you also
    I know discern this is what he was talking about when you try and show people what’s really going on they hate you they don’t want to know the truth this check their head in the sand like an ostrich and become very combative when you show them things they can’t deny they rather believe a lie than entertain the truth

    But he also commanded us to love one another and it’s really hard to not get defensive and argue and frustrated with people when you’re trying to show them things and they refuse to see it

    I think it’s in the Epistles of John or another one where it says do you think it says the scripture say in vain if you are a friend of the world you are an enemy of God? Friendship of the world is enemy of God because the world is at war with God man has put his way above God’s law so why would you honor governments and authority figures who are at war with God it makes no sense?

    So theres the Catch-22 how do you abide by the government law when you know and can clearly see it is not of God but is of antichrist?

    And I’m not saying this to try and cause Division I am legitimately asking because I have been battling with this for many years pretty much my entire life when I was younger I knew the leaders and things I was told wasn’t right I just didn’t have eyes to see it or understanding true discernment yet. But as God woke me up and gave me eyes to see I flash back to all those arguments and disagreements I had with authority and realize why I was at war with them. I am truly trying to discern and figure out the right thing to do on this issue not trying to cause division anyway God bless you guys

  2. trumpet of the Lord

    Frank:
    Good to show your weakness.

    I dont saying I’m really understand where you going through but I see something in your life what I see with other people around me.
    I’ll try to explain.
    First I felt you STRUGGLE with this spirit, not having pleasure with it nor ignoring it. (2Tess.2:12 is therefore NOT meant for you)
    If you stay close to Yeshua en yielding to Him He WILL DELIVER YOU!!
    In verse 7 and 8 you see the restrainer must first be taken away and then the Lord will come back.

    This time not anymore as the Lamb, but as the Lion!
    First judgement church.

    Now one person the Lord let me see is for this group (and I say this because perhaps its for you too). After much struggling together I finally realised we have another purpose in this life and therefore we see another things in the bible, another layers etc.
    I see clearly we must obey authority because even Yeshua did obey, EVEN UNTIL DEAD. Autority who did wrong.

    This person have a great problem with autority.
    Some points I do understand, after explanation because he looks total different at situations.
    Example. We have it about school-autority. He says there is not such as schoolautority. I in my circle ask him then what if a kid doing something wrong, you want to say that the teacher is not allowed to do anything??!
    Thats not good for the kid!
    He says its not in the bible. Parents have autority, not school.
    So I’m yet in the circle asking some questions but then he says something I understands from another cases. That school is a place we put our kids to learn things from this world, from books instead of life and we have given away education. So point is that we have made them autority over our kids but in real they haven’t because it is not Lords autority given standards.

    For church its difficult. Right church autority there is (sheep over lamb, mature christian over immature. 1 Peter 5:5!
    But absolutely not the system! Christ is given by the Father to be Head, and mature christians always let Yeshua reign! And only point to Him which immature christians have to learn.
    In bible elders MUST be mature christian.
    So the (most) problems we have today autority in church is also outside Gods standards.
    But its more difficult because scripture is used.

    Its yet difficult for this person to see when autority IS from the Lord we must obey (government).
    (the mark have another aspect as something setting higher as the Lord, and that can we never do. Worship beast. Therefore we cannot obey that. And the mark is mixed with another DNA which is also out of Gods borders. Yeshua died for humans only)

    Because I now see the Lord has ‘programmed’ him and will continue this proces.
    Even as satan try to do with all images and songs we hear etc to program us.
    So I have it experienced the Lord have programmed my brains for years now to solve puzzlepieces together, which He now uses for endtimepuzzle. So SO difficult! (There are so many layers! Christ coming through His bride, in many waves etc. Lamb. Lion. Eagle. New Sion.ManSon, woman. Each another bride-group.. + Also guests)

    And I know He works on others another way for there purpose. He has for all of us a purpose to fulfill!

    So I’ll try to make my point.
    While there are things wrong in his life the Lord have said to me: ‘oke you stand in the gap until that day, I’ll work on him’ and I believe with all my heart all the chains will broken of him as He is coming (v8)
    So He will do for you. Satan must flee from you as Yeshua is coming. Just yield to Him. And I know for sure the Lord has someone for you standing in the gap and otherwise I will do.
    Its for the LORD no difference which spirit we bound to. Addiction, religion or absolom. Its all the same in His eyes. But the Lord Yeshua stands in the gap! He is also the 2nd Lamb: John11:52/Num28:4/Rev.5:6

    And when He stood up out of the grave glorified He has overcome!!
    So must we. Hold on to Him. He will do it.

    Blessings from YHWH-Ywasha. The LORD our Deliverer.

    Use His blood as a coat around/over you

  3. Frank

    Trumpet of the Lord

    I appreciate your heartfelt message and I could always use the prayers and I thank you for them.

    A little about my background is I’ve actually physically fought with the devil and I mean that literally he threw my head through a wall I stuck a 44 Magnum in his face and Jesus had to show up to throw him off me I never knew that kind of stuff was real till it happened to me and no I’m not crazy I don’t tell many people this.

    I’ve seen Jesus’s face I’ve been in the watchtower spiritual realm with him he didn’t say anything to me when I was up there he just looked at me like he wanted to hit me and hug me at the same time he was crying. then he threw me back in my body and I continued fighting with the devil I could still see Jesus he pushed a button on his microphone and told me try calling Upon Jesus I did and he threw him off and then his reality disappeared from my vision I dropped my gun and ran out of the room.

    I got in the Bible and stayed in it for two years straight. I went through the process of learning about the fear of the Lord I could feel his anger and his Mercy. I don’t think I’ve ever been that scared in my life but I knew I couldn’t run I had to take it it was a spanking I had to take and I took it and I thank him for it.

    My son despise not the chastening of the Lord for every son the Lord receives he’s scourges and chases if you endure chastening then the Lord deals with you as sons and not bastards. Paraphrased

    When I came back in my bedroom I saw my Bible sit in there and I beg God to talk to me and he didn’t but I saw the Bible so I threw it in the air and it opened up to Isaiah it said I opened your ear when I did because you we’re called a transgressor from the womb and are known as one of mine how should my name be polluted amongst the heathen. For my namesake why not cut the off but I will correctly in measure in the furnace of affliction. But I will not leave you all together unpunished but correct the in measure. Now I know the Bible doesn’t say it that way anymore but that’s how I read it and understood it.

    Like I said I’ve stayed in the Bible 2 years after that to where I have A LOT of it memorized.

    And no I’m not going to say what Jesus look like cuz that’s not important but important as he’s real and unfortunately so is the devil.

    Look I don’t have all the answers I don’t pretend to I’d just seeking them out and yes I have a thing against Authority as a whole but especially the church because that’s what cost me my faith by the lies that they told so I respectfully disagree with you on this being subject to the Authority my authority is Jesus and Jesus alone no man rules over me only the Lord! Not up for a discussion or debate.

    Zachariah my anger was kindled against the Shepherds and I punish the goats for the Lord of hosts had visited the house of Judah and made them as is goodly horse in the day of battle out of him came the nail out of him came the bridal.

    That is confirming exactly what I’m saying the Shepherds cost me my faith by there. Teachings Jesus himself had to come and put me back on the right track according to that it looks like I might be the house of Judah because I’ve actually seen Jesus I’m not sure that’s just what it’s looking like

    I’ve already met Jesus so why am I going to listen to a man who claims they have the moral Authority who I have learned recently got their doctrines from nothing but Fallen Angels and Demons people channeling quote friendly Spirits when you read their autobiographies when you search Doctrine and official governmental concept out to see where it originated from it always comes from the Fallen Angels. And that’s and everything science Technologies Sports poly would you name it the whole thing is overrun by doctrines of demons it all comes from the Fallen Angels man most people don’t understand that we still are dealing with idols of Egypt were still there under captivity we’re in the final Babylon

    I don’t believe that’s Absalom Spirit why would God show up and reveal himself to me if it was and why didn’t he throw it out of me when he was with me?

    By the way he personally told me his name is Jesus When I Call On Jesus he threw that devil off me like it was nothing and let me tell you that devil was strong felt like a machine throwing me around he just laughed when I stuck my 44 Magnum in its face.

    Anyway thank you for the reply and I respectfully agree to disagree on some of your points but nevertheless God bless you and I will pray for you and please continue to pray for me looks like God has us on different paths so let us not strive together but let us instead worship God and continue the course God bless.

    And a friendly piece of advice definitely seek the Lord out about what I’m saying here don’t take my word for it is make sure he wants you under the subject powers of government and Authority because that’s not what he’s leading me to

    From my understanding the Bible from the beginning to the end of it was showing how man was living in Rebellion against God. From Adam and Eve all the way to the end. Jesus when he was here was constantly rebuking the powers and authorities that’s why they killed him because he knew the things I’m telling you about everybody being sold out to Satan all the leaders we’re secretly working for the Devils that’s how they got their authorities and Powers. That’s why Herod wanted him killed that’s why the Jews went after him and that’s why a lot of the people asked him to leave their towns because they were living in Rebellion with Satan they knew what was going on it was another Sodom and Gomorrah type situation.

    Jesus told his disciples don’t strive to rule over somebody else’s as Gentiles do you’re all equal you’re all brethren

    That’s why he had no respect to persons because he knew that if you were anybody and power I don’t care what the position or what the power they had sold out the Satan get that position that’s why Satan offered Jesus the whole world Jesus didn’t tell him it’s not yours to give he told him get behind me

    The truth is anybody who’s anybody ie rich famous or powerful etc in this world has sold out to satan because is running the show right now. The secret truth is it never stopped it’s always been going on it was going on before Satan tried to tempt Jesus and it was going on after that it’s still going on today so that’s why I don’t respect anybody in power

    Ironically I actually have 5 college degrees and I count them as toilet paper in fact I have more use for a roll of toilet paper then I do those degrees because the degrees will just give me a paper cut.

    I acquired those by 8 years in college when I was deaf dumb and blind a couple years before all this started to happen I had no idea what this world was about come to find out everything in it is a lie

    All of those degrees come from doctrines of demons. when you research the people who wrote the books the authors and you read their autobiographies you learned that they were channeling Spirits for their information those are fallen angels.

    Like I said I can see your hearts right and you truly believe some of the stuff you’re saying but I respectfully disagree on some of it and I I think you can see some of the reasons why it’s not that I’m trying to be I’m right and you’re wrong or you’re right and I’m wrong it’s just it looks like God has us on different paths

    God bless

  4. Frank

    TRUMPET OF THE LORD

    When I re-read your post after I sent my reply comment I felt something pop in my head about that he that have an ear hear he that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity he that is to be killed with the sword shall be killed with the sword this is the patience and faith of the Saints I get it man I’m just having a real hard time understanding and accepting it please pray for me.

    I guess it’s a very tight rope Balancing Act of physically not fighting back but at the same time not spiritually conforming to their wickedness and Evil but at the same time turning your cheek and handing it to the smitters if you follow what I’m saying.

    That’s going to be really hard for me and impossible must Jesus helps me through it because I’ve never back down from a fight my life as you can see in my previous testimony when the devil grab ahold of me I replied back with a 44 Magnum I’m not your average Christian I’m a sinner who’s trying to repent and do it right I was raised by a soldier and I was raised to be a soldier I was a volunteer cop for a minute on an internship and one of the roughest cities in the country so yeah like Paul said are they sent Sinners I am chief. But I’ve always thought to protect the underdog and the innocent I’ve had no problem going heads up against the guilty even when I knew I was going to lose the fight I still fought it that’s why it’s so hard to submit take the knee please pray for me God bless.

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